We're passively investing our way to catastrophe
How passive investing takes us further and further away from fair prices
I know that I have a lot of Mike Green fans in my audience so for you lot this is old news. However, as preposterous as it might seem there are still people on this planet who haven’t spent dozens of hours listening with rapt attention as Mike describes how passive inflows are ruining our markets.
One of the problems with writing this article is that we must necessarily deal in abstraction. It’s difficult to point to any given market event and say: passive caused that! We have a good idea that market distortions are happening, and will get worse in the future, but we can’t hold them in the palm of our hand. I draw a similarity to the first doctors who had a hunch that microscopic germs were laying waste to the human body but what visible proof could they summon?
Enough with the disclaimers though, let’s wade into the brambles.
Passive investing, steady and sure,
With patience and time, it will endure.
No need to pick stocks or try to time,
Just let the market do its climb.
ETFs and index funds, the way to go,
Diversify your portfolio, you know.
Low fees, low stress, no need to guess,
Just sit back and let your wealth progress.
Passive investing, a simple way,
To let your money work every day.
No need to worry, no need to fret,
Just keep investing, and don't forget.
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If you think about it, passive investing operates on the simplest set of instructions possible. If I give you money then buy. If I ask for money then sell.
That’s how Mike Green describes passive investing in two sentences. If we break down this short quote we can already see where a few problems lay. “If I give you money then buy.” Nowhere in that set of instructions do we say, if I give you money then buy,
Fairly valued companies
Companies with solid balance sheets
Companies that don’t have a lot of debt
Companies that definitively won’t be bankrupt in a month
Etc.
Passive investing does not discriminate which means that, all else being equal, a crappy company that’s included in an index fund can be bought just as much as an outstanding company. While we like to imagine that markets are things to make us money, their actual function is harnessing crowd wisdom to allocate capital to businesses with a high chance of success. Passive investing doesn’t give a shit about any of that. By allocating based on market cap or other “dumb” metrics, passive disperses capital to good and bad businesses alike.
Passive investing also creates a perverse incentivize for companies. In the analog days when Masters of the Universe made investment decisions according to DCF models, price to sales and the management team’s track record, a company’s incentive was to be fiscally responsible enough to attract discerning investors. Not that all companies did so! But that was at least the incentive. As passive investing increasingly controls the capital the question is no longer how can we have the most fiscally prudent company, but how can we get included in the index?
Markets melt up and down
Mike Green has estimated that passive indexing now accounts for more than 50% of all buying in the S&P 500. How does that affect markets? Well it reduces the chance that we ever find a fair price for a security. A passive fund doesn’t care about fundamentals or whether a stock is overvalued. The passive fund assumes that whatever price a stock is currently trading at is the “right” price, and will continue to buy so long as there is money coming in.
Mike would argue that one of the reasons the market hasn’t crashed more in the last year, despite weakening economic conditions, mass tech layoffs, bank runs, high interest rates and continued inflation, is that passive inflows have propped the market up. Passive DGAF, passive buys no matter what the wack ass “fundamentals” are.
Passive inflows prop up markets, what’s wrong with that I hear you say. Well, what happens if the position reverses? If enough people lose their jobs and are no longer contributing to their retirement accounts* we could see the opposite effect. Heavy selling, rapidly falling prices and what will passive do? Nothing, because it doesn’t care about fundamentals or how attractively stocks are priced.
*Employees contributing to their retirement accounts is a major source of inflows to passive indexing funds
If nobody gives a passive fund money it won’t buy, even if the SPX is trading at 500. Our market is moving towards a point where valuations will depend more on,
How many people are employed and paying into their retirement fund
As opposed to,
Fair valuations based on market fundamentals
This is not a 0 or 1 outcome, the reality lies somewhere in the middle. Active managers will always have some control over pricing, as will other market forces. However, in the background increasingly lurks passive, ready to buy or sell blind to fundamentals.
The natural conclusion could be, according to Mike, a highly exaggerated boom and bust cycle. Active managers buffer markets by selling when prices are high and buying when they’re low. Without their steadying hand we’re likely to get increasingly zany and unpredictable outcomes.
Conclusions
If you want to learn more about how passive investing affects markets you should listen to Mike Green describe the situation in his own words. My recommendation would be his interview with Demetri Kofinas and his interview with Grant Williams. These are both older episodes but the fundamentals have not changed.
Mike has predicted that we’re likely to experience crack up booms in the future because of passive, which sounds great until you consider that the great booms could be followed by terrible crashes. Just what we’ve been craving, more volatility right? Hooyah!
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Almost feel I’m at AA. Hi my name is Pat and I’m a Passive Investor. So this being one of my first pieces to read on your Substack piqued my interest and caused a little concern. I have tried to learn about investing but it seemed like this huge enigma. So I just did the usual thing, put money in my 401K but only knew enough to be dangerous about which funds to put it in. Then came along a colleague with “The Little Book of Common Sense Investing” by Bogle (you know the guy who started the index fund fad or now should it be index fad funds?) Throw in reading the “Psychology of Money” whose author’s name escapes me and now I am all I with passive index funds.
I do like educating myself but with limited time I need short, simple information that is impactful for a small time investor (primarily for retirement but wouldn’t mind getting a better rate of return) who is willing to wade into medium risk investment (I’m mid 50’s).
Any possible way you could steer me toward sites to help with the above info in mind? I plan on checking out more of your posts and the gentleman you recommended in this one.
I’m not looking for you to manage my funds or set up tutorials for me but even if it’s “hey go this site and they have some good info for newbies” would be great.
Anyway enjoy your take on things with the bits of sarcasm through
PS don’t know the name of the beach but hope it was with the hike
Kelingking Beach in Bali
I think I found you from a Twitter link, but I'm not sure. I am always looking for legitimate insights and discussion on a range of topics and I really appreciate that thoughtful, smart, and talented people are sharing their thoughts and steering me to the network of similarly inclined people that they value.
I am a mostly passive investor who aspires to find and reward good companies with good ideas, but the time to evaluate and follow individual companies eludes me.
The abstraction and separation that you paint with passive investing reflects these same trends at more micro levels throughout human endeavor and production. In a world of increasing layers of fluff, unreality, and fictions, the incentive structures get increasingly distorted and abstracted from core functions and the real "gears,and wires" of what must get done.
Examples that fit the theme-
**It seems that the incentive for company management is increasingly to polish an image to would be investors, not even primarily about polishing to product itself. (Disatrous and extreme caricatures of this- SBF, Elizabeth Holmes).
**ESG seems to be another layer of fictional performance that becomes a driving metric that is untethered, distorts incentives, diverts attention and resources, becomes the barnacles (at best) and the cancer or virus (at worst)
**complex investment vehicles like credit default swaps
** ?endless string of investment hedges?
**constantly created and competing "narratives" some of which are cruel and cruel, and other grounded and real
**manufactured and exaggerated crises used to manipulate
**to numerous to mention "emperor has no clothes" moments exposing the cracks
So (trying to bring it back here, thanks for hanging in there) if passive investing is just another layer of separation and abstraction, it seems you are saying that it becomes another massive vulnerability. Is it an economic and financial manifestation of the larger trend? Can the complexity and abstraction ever be its strength or only its weakness?
We have two evolving "camps." One - more performance, more meta, more kayfabe, a dance that earns points but distracts from core missions and realities. The other that is tied to "financial fundamentals," the realities of physics, and human nature and biology.
Those who are still bound by these fundamental realities and talk sense to them sometimes seem to be shouting in the wilderness (though their voices are gaining traction). How do we reconcile these at all levels?
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